Alrightyyyyy this is ittttttt I'll try keep it straight to the point / as much tl;dr as I can WHAT WORKS New minigame looks good (I think it's broken at the moment though?) Could possibly add some more rewards here? Perhaps double up on a few things in the "good" blood money store to give players multiple avenues to chase the gear they want Runecrafting is much more streamline now ty!!!! Glad to see removal of random extra barrows dudes Some OSRS changes / QoL are good, e.g. ava's seems to do a better job now, DFS seems to do a better job now (not tested a whole lot, maybe someone else could add to this?) KBD spawn bug fixed WHAT DOESN'T WORK - unfortunately the list is bigger Home tele - please change it back, it's veryyyyyy slow and annoying to use, impossible to use at places like skele hellhounds. Most players are avoiding it now, either using tele tabs, ::ge or going to the cities teles > edgeville as a workaround because they are ALL faster options ROW scroll - currently minigame not up and running, please put the ROW scroll somewhere else so we can get it, and possibly keep it in more than 1 location, again to allow players options to chase gear. May become unobtainable when minigame interest dies out as it always does, leaving the scroll sitting there doing nothing BOSSING / Overall OSRS Combat rework & Gear nerfs - oh BOY here. we. go. First of all I understand the one side saying evoid+rap = game 2 ez. HOWEVER, the approach to a "new meta" isn't working. Overall, nerfs never go down well with the general playerbase. This is compounded with the fact that evoid got a nerf PLUS combat changed, bosses didn't get a straight "buff", however what has basically happened is the OSRS combat algorithms currently HEAVILY favour npc/bosses/ads defence making some almost impossible to kill. 2.1 This includes Jad (now fixed? I think) - what happened here was there was already a 3x health implemented PRE-PATCH to make him a bit tankier etc, as he's usually an early-mid game boss people kill for firecape at pretty low levels. So giving him extra health makes sense, otherwise its a bit too easy/quick. What went wrong was that you guys kept his massive health bar PLUS the combat algorithm makes him waaaay to tanky = impossible for anyone to kill. I am aware he's been fixed but I wanted to highlight the shortcomings of the update and lack of testing 2.2 Here is a list of (to my knowledge) absolutely busted bosses that genuinely DO need a nerf: Kree (hitting 60s through pray) Ice queen (I haven't even tried tbh, but player reports in game say she melts bro, happy to go test but I'm sure someone else can answer this one) Ice troll king (Mage/melee combo seems to neglect pray, unless ur a god at prayer flicking he hits through, overall efficiency per invent is too harshly reduced) 3. A quick sidenote re; testing. Im sure you guys did test - HOWEVER - (and correct me if I am wrong) - it feels like you only tested stuff with perfect combat setup/gear - and decided nah it's fine stuff still dies. Problem here is that, mostly, we don't have perfect gear (which is why we are killing bosses for it to drop in the first place) - so we're at an even bigger disadvantage now. Bosses need to be tested with a range of gear tiers, low/mid/BIS gear to make sure it's still achievable. Obviously some bosses should require BIS - but currently they all do and bro that is WACK 4. Moving on - nerfs. Nerfs aren't fun. Kills the vibe. Disrespects the time, effort, grind and money players have put into acquiring their gear. If you guys had just done combat without the nerfs, or vice versa, BUT NOT BOTH, I think overall the update would have been an easier pill to swallow. The BIS argument will go in circles, if you nerf evoid, vestas & justiciar takes it's place, if that gets nerfed, bandos takes its place, etc etc. It's an RSPS not OSRS, if we wanted a grind, wanted combat algorithms etc, we'd be playing OSRS, not the server where yes there still needs to be a challenge, but yo we don't want the EXACT same mechanics, otherwise what's the point???? Need to workout other ways to make challenges, eg. Bossing challenges with set gear requirements - where you're not nerfing stuff, but youre allowing for an optional meta / difficulty change without punishing us for chance at better rewards - @barry think about master nightfalls/ locked loadouts here for reference 5. COMBAT - short and simple. It's not OSRS, keep it that way. TO AN EXTENT. Honestly algorithm will work (as Zod has said already) if you guys tone it down a bit/ make it a little easier. If I cant kill something massively weaker than me because of the combat style - to me doesn't make sense. I'm waaay more powerful than a rock crab, why am I hitting 0s. Perhaps this shouldn't have been a blanket server wide change - perhaps only for certain bosses etc just for a bit of challenge. But now even basic PvM is boring and most people have just been skilling/ not interested in PvM anymore. Feels way to grindy from a players perspective. Overall there is always going to be a "meta" - always a BIS and always items and gear players gravitate towards to and the eco is formed from. Nerfing one brings forth another, but then eco becomes super volatile - e.g. bm store still selling evoid for 200k-ish but clearly not worth that much currently. If nerfs/changes to BIS are gonna happen in an update, eco and ::prices needs to be tested AND updated BEFORE the update goes live, not during/ after - so that there isnt a crazy scramble and panic for gear that happened this week. The meta will always be the meta, it's better to bring underperforming items "up to standard" than to nerf the current standard from a players perspective. Alternatively, make new bosses/challenges/game modes where the "underperforming" gear is more viable, giving it new value and meaning, creating multiple metas WITHOUT nerfing the pre existing meta. (This is where combat update can be tweaked to appease everyones preferences). Okay; SOLUTIONS - I won't pretend these are all perfect, I'm not a dev, just some ideas, some might work, some might not, just throwing a few things out there COMBAT : rework it and tone down / make a little easier. I doubt asking to a complete rollback on the entire combat system is going to happen, so I think just tweaking to make us a bit more effective will work a treat, defs shouldn't be feeling this weak/hitting this many 0s on some bosses and trash mobs NERFS : tbh, undo evoid nerfs, it was never BIS for defence, only for atk boosts, this goes hand-in-hand with bossing, if you were to change mechanics rather than the entire combat system, similar to ice troll king using a new attack + reworked combat so it wasn't so punishing, things like justiciar will still have BIS potential and evoid wouldn't be the sole melee gear. More on this, vestas shoudln't degrade especially as it has emerged as the "new meta". That's such a huge cash sink and eco drain for something that's supposed to be the best. If you un nerf evoid, make vestas non degradable, and rework combat, those + justiciar will all be valued rather than 1 clear outlier. Same for range, amra is #1 now, despite always having better defence than evoid, it's just evoid is weaker so arma took over. Un nerfing would mean theres a BIS attack and BIS defence - and if you rework bosses so we need more defence sometimes rather than pure power, both are in a better spot. Mage idrk, dont really mage any bosses anyway? So won't speak much here, other than ancestral and kodai don't degrade, so why should vestas. Same for range, tbow etc dont degrade. Its an RSPS not OSRS, get rid of degrading (barrows is fine its kinda it's "thing" anyway) ECO : I know y'all are working on prices etc as meta changes and things get tweaked so we all just gotta be patient here - only suggestions are re: pos and GE, which in game has had plenty of discussion already, can revisit later with bigger playerbase. MONEY MAKING : following up from eco, until bossing is fixed, moneymaking from drops is reduced, overall eco reduced - spoke briefly with spasma about improving money return from skilling - would be a great idea if skilling masters would buy our stuff (logs, fish, ores etc) at GOOD MARKET prices to allow skilling to be a better money maker - could also buff theiving stalls and make the master buy the stuff we steal at the stalls for good prices too (most servers do this to good effect) SLAYER : following up eco - why was slayer blood money nerfed??? seemed unnecessary imo, also Perdu prices went UP at the same time (for imbuing, repairs etc) - seems like a double whammy nerf like the gear nerf+combat, and double whammy's suck man Finally, a few small suggestions & bugs that aren't entirely related to the update (so happy to move elsewhere if staff want) but thought I'd chuck them here just to round things off BOSS RESPAWN TIMERS : would be a great addition, unsure about discord etc but in game this is a popular request GE : same as above, again relating to convo with barry, with bigger playerbase could be implemented COMBAT STYLE ON EXAMINE : with new combat OSRS rework - we need to go to osrs wiki etc to find weaknesses, which is fine-ish. Would be AWESOME if the text when we "Examine" an enemy told us their weakness. The example I wrote in game was when you examine a black dragon it could say: (whatever it normally says about it) PLUS OSRS info such as weak to range and stab damage - to give players an idea of how to kill stuff in PvM with all the combat reworks DEGRADABLES : as mentioned above, change vestas to allow for more melee BIS variety etc etc BUGGY ITEMS : things like vestas chest, dragon platebody, cow shirt shoutout moo bois are all buggy/ don't like load/ look properly? I'm sure you know what I mean PHEW, I think that's it for now This is such an awesome server that everyone enjoys playing etc etc, it's been a shame to see less interest/motivation from a bunch of regular players in the last week or so, a bunch of people quitting and so on In game and discord has been complain-y and all that stuff and I 100% take some of the credit for that, it just seemed necessary to really get our point across from the players perspective about some of the changes. A lot of this stuff I'm pretty confident you're already working on/ aware about so excited to see what happens next /discuss

Applied combat changes, now prayers should work like on OSRS and protect properly. Adding missing items back to shops.

Im a "new" Player. I started like 1 Day before the big Update. I like most off the Update, the Changes for the Bosses to use more different Equipments is really good. But why did you nerf the Bloodmoney, while making all prices go up? Also the new Home Tele is total bad, since it takes really long and is just annoying. And the Combat Xp Nerf just hits new Player. It´s a pserver, so it shouldn´t take hoooooours to train your skills. Classic Accounts take Ages now. My Suggestions would be: - Bring back the old Home Teleport - Make the Xp till 99 higher, so it´s easier for New Player. At 99 slow it down so it´s a long term Goal. That would help new Player but make it harder in long term. - Some Bosses are incredible Strong now, they should be balanced a bit (for Example GWD Bosses) - Bring Barrow Gloves back to Blood Money store for new Players - Stop that Bosses hit HEAVY trough Prayer, Alchemical Hydra hits 40 even if you have the right Pray - Bring back the old Price for Double exp Rings or let them be timebased, not based on uses like for 1 hour

Hi there. As the server grows, with the most recent update a lot was changed and fixed. It's safe to say this was one of our biggest and more anticipated update so far but not everyone agrees it was for the best. This thread will help the staff and dev team see through the negativity and look at what can be done to move forward with improving the server instead of going backwards. Here's whats going to happen; This post will be left open for a week so people can express there thought about it. This is not a rant post so please give give both you opinion and thoughts on how to improve the situation and be constructive about it. comments like "this is bad" or "fix it now" will be deleted. After a week myself and other staff members will review your thoughts and make a poll compiled of your opinions Ill will be monitoring this post everyday so please stick to the rules of the forums as they still apply.

quick update from speaking to jackery in game about some fixes VISUAL just a list of small visual bugs to be looked at later - not sure if complete list but these ones are known, rendering issues around the arms/shoulders for the following: dragon platebody cow shirt / chestpiece thing vestas chainbody justiciar chestguard glitchy haircuts for females (idk about all mens?) when wearing beserker helm, farseer helm etc - visual bug of hair (the 2 side ponytails? idk?) stick out of the helmet maxhit calculator in gear menu/tab (donator feature) jackery already aware, so just quickly note - doesnt display correct maxhit values e.g. 35s with tentacle, but hitting over 40, and most common one is tbow with max range gear it says 28 but can hit 50+, seems like visual/calculator bug not actual combat bug happens moreso when switching gear items also happens with/without other modifiers such as prayer, potions and set bonuses WEAPONS - this is from skillofdooms post, I am 100% sure dds is scuffed atm, havent tested others though: Most weaponry have incorrect special attack damage modifiers (DDS/Godswords/Ballista/etc) ---> this is for both accuracy AND maxhit

Thank you to everyone for the feedback, we are working to address all the points. Could you double check this please? Chivalry should, according to the wiki, drain 1 point every 1.5 seconds, and it seems to do that from my testing. Are there specific prayers which you think are off? Elite void has been changed to match OSRS. This is a nerf from a flat 22% accuracy and damage multiplier for all combat styles. The wiki gives a good outline of how it works on OSRS, and now in-game. We have had some difficulties with our testing server, but this has been resolved going forward. This will be reverted in the next update. The ROW scroll will be added to the new slayers rewards shop at a high price, and the Battle Royale minigame will reward players for coming in second and third place with points, as well as just for playing at a lower amount. This should help make the scroll more easily obtainable. There was an issue with boss attacks hitting through protection prayers, that has now been resolved. This has now been resolved.

store changes: aggro pots +1 put skull sceptre back in ::dz , or in bm store , not in vote store for 10 tickets or whatever, such a price increase for literally no reason - if you want less bkt campers then make him an instanced boss reduce perdu prices back to pre-update revert blood money slayer reward nerf eco: +1 +1 +1 +1's from players in game re: skilling as a money making thing (shoutout spasma) - re: selling gathering materials to skilling masters for GOOD MONEY back to combat: speaking IG with players and staff today - I wanted to re-iterate that the old combat system was fine, nothing wrong with it, didn't need changing. As far as I understand the reason was to add "variety" to the meta This can be done WITHOUT changing the current meta/ causing indirect nerfs to things that the server is known and loved for (evoid meta, pre update eco etc) If you want variety for ppl saying evoid is too easy, then add NEW CHALLENGES/BOSSES etc that require variety of gear - but a big server wide blanket change was never the answer All that does is force everyone to change from the meta (which was uncalled for) - you can appease everyone by keeping the current meta AND bringing in new boss content that you need to change gear for - that way everyone stays happy and there isn't a giant change to the most critical aspect of PvM on the server For example you could make new / instanced bosses that don't allow certain gear (such as evoid) or require specific gear to enter - this is where you can have the variety in the meta and in combat, this would also give rise to more gear other than evoid JOINING the meta (NOT REPLACING IT) - allowing for a bigger eco , and multiple sets "worthwhile" having and to grind for etc TL;DR combat wasnt broken, didnt need server-wide change. bring back old meta. add new bosses/minigames/pvm activities that require the updated system to succeed, without hindering the old system in all the other activites. Instance the new stuff, without ruining the old stuff

I just want aggro pots back in the BM store

If this thread doesn't get too many views majority of the server is in chr0mas favor, the evoid nerf is debatable but like he said evoid is only bis for ATT. Players can use bandos/justiciar for tank.

So I've noticed a few things in regards to recent changes: - PRAYER CHANGES Prayer drains are a rate that is 2x that of OSRS. For example, Piety should drain 2 points every 3 seconds. Currently it drains 2 points every 1.5 seconds. Prayer bonus no longer has any impact on the rate of drain. Certain prayers drain in excess of 3-4x the normal rate (Chivalry). - Bosses are overtuned. This seems to affect most bosses except a few. Certain Wilderness Bosses are not killable (Vennenatis, Vetion, etc). Vorkath is currently overtuned and the spawn can not be killed with crumble-undead as in OSRS. Jad is not killable. Godwars bosses are currently too hard to kill (defence far too high for both boss and adds). Corp is currently not killable even with a 5 man group. Certain custom bosses are not killable. - Certain Items are still not working correctly. Toxic Blowpipe is still undertuned in it's weapon-speed and it's special attack can still kill you. Trident of the Swamp is completely broken. Charging it and attacking causes DC. When you relog, the weapon only attacks using melee. Stat weights for certain items like Gold mystic/etc are higher than they should be. Hidden Stat weights for certain items like Zenyte jewelry are not correctly applied as damage modifiers. Most weaponry have incorrect special attack damage modifiers (DDS/Godswords/Ballista/etc). Some weaponry missing correct special attacks and special attack bars (Toxic Staff of the Dead). - Quality of Life issues. Tinderbox isn't working. Certain NPCs when they spawn will be invisible (Barrows). Certain items are bugged and unable to be equipped/used. So here's what I think happened. Combat was coded in a way where accuracy was coded as a separate modifier. This is why Void Elite was so strong in it's state, primarily because the way accuracy multiplied was due to the initial combat code on a per boss basis. My guess is that the Devs modified the original accuracy code in a way where; when they nerfed it, it caused the currently issues with accuracy across all bosses etc when they updated their code. So with the recent changes to the bosses, there is one particular algorithm which isn't calculating correctly, causing the accuracy against these bosses to be much much lower. As a result, we are seeing less damage and very little accuracy when killing bosses, regardless of gear/stats/prayers. My real question is, was any of this tested before it was implemented? Is there any sort of play-testing of these new features before they are published into the live game? When changing the boss code and combat systems, did someone actually go and try to see if they can kill the bosses? There are only like 15 bosses in the game, this would take only an hour to figure out whether the changes are working or not. What about certain items that were supposedly fixed? Did someone actually test these to see if the modifiers are working correctly? Did someone double check to make sure these items were updated correctly? I don't mean to be rude or to be angry but as someone who works as a programmer in the industry and someone who updates his tools frequently, I pride myself on making sure that the features that I implement into my work, work as intended. I have a funny feeling that what we are seeing right now is a combination of laziness and user-error, with devs implementing work without actually making sure it really works. Whether someone decided to find existing code for these things and copy-paste them, thinking it will work on this particular source and client (without fully understanding how the entire code-base is scripted). Or maybe it was just laziness in wanting to push these updates out ASAP to keep the player base happy. Either way, this update is a massive failure. At this point my suggestion would be to revert the changes completely and start again. There's no reason to keep trying to salvage the situation especially when majority of the players have been affected and are frustrated at this point.

Agreeing with everything you said! Nice list and well organized! this however: E-void was so powerfull with other BIS gear it didnt matter if it had a less powerfull defensive stat. Thats why it was considered BIS overall. This is a suggestion from the gods. I like this alot! very nice list @chr0ma !