Alrightyyyyy this is ittttttt
I'll try keep it straight to the point / as much tl;dr as I can
New minigame looks good (I think it's broken at the moment though?) Could possibly add some more rewards here? Perhaps double up on a few things in the "good" blood money store to give players multiple avenues to chase the gear they want
Runecrafting is much more streamline now ty!!!!
Glad to see removal of random extra barrows dudes
Some OSRS changes / QoL are good, e.g. ava's seems to do a better job now, DFS seems to do a better job now (not tested a whole lot, maybe someone else could add to this?)
KBD spawn bug fixed
WHAT DOESN'T WORK - unfortunately the list is bigger
Home tele - please change it back, it's veryyyyyy slow and annoying to use, impossible to use at places like skele hellhounds. Most players are avoiding it now, either using tele tabs, ::ge or going to the cities teles > edgeville as a workaround because they are ALL faster options
ROW scroll - currently minigame not up and running, please put the ROW scroll somewhere else so we can get it, and possibly keep it in more than 1 location, again to allow players options to chase gear. May become unobtainable when minigame interest dies out as it always does, leaving the scroll sitting there doing nothing
BOSSING / Overall OSRS Combat rework & Gear nerfs - oh BOY here. we. go.
First of all I understand the one side saying evoid+rap = game 2 ez. HOWEVER, the approach to a "new meta" isn't working. Overall, nerfs never go down well with the general playerbase.
This is compounded with the fact that evoid got a nerf PLUS combat changed, bosses didn't get a straight "buff", however what has basically happened is the OSRS combat algorithms currently HEAVILY favour npc/bosses/ads defence making some almost impossible to kill.
2.1 This includes Jad (now fixed? I think) - what happened here was there was already a 3x health implemented PRE-PATCH to make him a bit tankier etc, as he's usually an early-mid game boss people kill for firecape at pretty low levels. So giving him extra health makes sense, otherwise its a bit too easy/quick. What went wrong was that you guys kept his massive health bar PLUS the combat algorithm makes him waaaay to tanky = impossible for anyone to kill. I am aware he's been fixed but I wanted to highlight the shortcomings of the update and lack of testing
2.2 Here is a list of (to my knowledge) absolutely busted bosses that genuinely DO need a nerf:
Kree (hitting 60s through pray)
Ice queen (I haven't even tried tbh, but player reports in game say she melts bro, happy to go test but I'm sure someone else can answer this one)
Ice troll king (Mage/melee combo seems to neglect pray, unless ur a god at prayer flicking he hits through, overall efficiency per invent is too harshly reduced)
3. A quick sidenote re; testing. Im sure you guys did test - HOWEVER - (and correct me if I am wrong) - it feels like you only tested stuff with perfect combat setup/gear - and decided nah it's fine stuff still dies. Problem here is that, mostly, we don't have perfect gear (which is why we are killing bosses for it to drop in the first place) - so we're at an even bigger disadvantage now. Bosses need to be tested with a range of gear tiers, low/mid/BIS gear to make sure it's still achievable. Obviously some bosses should require BIS - but currently they all do and bro that is WACK
4. Moving on - nerfs. Nerfs aren't fun. Kills the vibe. Disrespects the time, effort, grind and money players have put into acquiring their gear. If you guys had just done combat without the nerfs, or vice versa, BUT NOT BOTH, I think overall the update would have been an easier pill to swallow. The BIS argument will go in circles, if you nerf evoid, vestas & justiciar takes it's place, if that gets nerfed, bandos takes its place, etc etc. It's an RSPS not OSRS, if we wanted a grind, wanted combat algorithms etc, we'd be playing OSRS, not the server where yes there still needs to be a challenge, but yo we don't want the EXACT same mechanics, otherwise what's the point???? Need to workout other ways to make challenges, eg. Bossing challenges with set gear requirements - where you're not nerfing stuff, but youre allowing for an optional meta / difficulty change without punishing us for chance at better rewards - @barry think about master nightfalls/ locked loadouts here for reference
5. COMBAT - short and simple. It's not OSRS, keep it that way. TO AN EXTENT. Honestly algorithm will work (as Zod has said already) if you guys tone it down a bit/ make it a little easier. If I cant kill something massively weaker than me because of the combat style - to me doesn't make sense. I'm waaay more powerful than a rock crab, why am I hitting 0s. Perhaps this shouldn't have been a blanket server wide change - perhaps only for certain bosses etc just for a bit of challenge. But now even basic PvM is boring and most people have just been skilling/ not interested in PvM anymore. Feels way to grindy from a players perspective.
Overall there is always going to be a "meta" - always a BIS and always items and gear players gravitate towards to and the eco is formed from. Nerfing one brings forth another, but then eco becomes super volatile - e.g. bm store still selling evoid for 200k-ish but clearly not worth that much currently. If nerfs/changes to BIS are gonna happen in an update, eco and ::prices needs to be tested AND updated BEFORE the update goes live, not during/ after - so that there isnt a crazy scramble and panic for gear that happened this week. The meta will always be the meta, it's better to bring underperforming items "up to standard" than to nerf the current standard from a players perspective. Alternatively, make new bosses/challenges/game modes where the "underperforming" gear is more viable, giving it new value and meaning, creating multiple metas WITHOUT nerfing the pre existing meta. (This is where combat update can be tweaked to appease everyones preferences).
SOLUTIONS - I won't pretend these are all perfect, I'm not a dev, just some ideas, some might work, some might not, just throwing a few things out there
COMBAT : rework it and tone down / make a little easier. I doubt asking to a complete rollback on the entire combat system is going to happen, so I think just tweaking to make us a bit more effective will work a treat, defs shouldn't be feeling this weak/hitting this many 0s on some bosses and trash mobs
NERFS : tbh, undo evoid nerfs, it was never BIS for defence, only for atk boosts, this goes hand-in-hand with bossing, if you were to change mechanics rather than the entire combat system, similar to ice troll king using a new attack + reworked combat so it wasn't so punishing, things like justiciar will still have BIS potential and evoid wouldn't be the sole melee gear. More on this, vestas shoudln't degrade especially as it has emerged as the "new meta". That's such a huge cash sink and eco drain for something that's supposed to be the best. If you un nerf evoid, make vestas non degradable, and rework combat, those + justiciar will all be valued rather than 1 clear outlier. Same for range, amra is #1 now, despite always having better defence than evoid, it's just evoid is weaker so arma took over. Un nerfing would mean theres a BIS attack and BIS defence - and if you rework bosses so we need more defence sometimes rather than pure power, both are in a better spot. Mage idrk, dont really mage any bosses anyway? So won't speak much here, other than ancestral and kodai don't degrade, so why should vestas. Same for range, tbow etc dont degrade. Its an RSPS not OSRS, get rid of degrading (barrows is fine its kinda it's "thing" anyway)
ECO : I know y'all are working on prices etc as meta changes and things get tweaked so we all just gotta be patient here - only suggestions are re: pos and GE, which in game has had plenty of discussion already, can revisit later with bigger playerbase.
MONEY MAKING : following up from eco, until bossing is fixed, moneymaking from drops is reduced, overall eco reduced - spoke briefly with spasma about improving money return from skilling - would be a great idea if skilling masters would buy our stuff (logs, fish, ores etc) at GOOD MARKET prices to allow skilling to be a better money maker - could also buff theiving stalls and make the master buy the stuff we steal at the stalls for good prices too (most servers do this to good effect)
SLAYER : following up eco - why was slayer blood money nerfed??? seemed unnecessary imo, also Perdu prices went UP at the same time (for imbuing, repairs etc) - seems like a double whammy nerf like the gear nerf+combat, and double whammy's suck man
Finally, a few small suggestions & bugs that aren't entirely related to the update (so happy to move elsewhere if staff want) but thought I'd chuck them here just to round things off
BOSS RESPAWN TIMERS : would be a great addition, unsure about discord etc but in game this is a popular request
GE : same as above, again relating to convo with barry, with bigger playerbase could be implemented
COMBAT STYLE ON EXAMINE : with new combat OSRS rework - we need to go to osrs wiki etc to find weaknesses, which is fine-ish. Would be AWESOME if the text when we "Examine" an enemy told us their weakness. The example I wrote in game was when you examine a black dragon it could say: (whatever it normally says about it) PLUS OSRS info such as weak to range and stab damage - to give players an idea of how to kill stuff in PvM with all the combat reworks
DEGRADABLES : as mentioned above, change vestas to allow for more melee BIS variety etc etc
BUGGY ITEMS : things like vestas chest, dragon platebody, cow shirt shoutout moo bois are all buggy/ don't like load/ look properly? I'm sure you know what I mean
PHEW, I think that's it for now
This is such an awesome server that everyone enjoys playing etc etc, it's been a shame to see less interest/motivation from a bunch of regular players in the last week or so, a bunch of people quitting and so on
In game and discord has been complain-y and all that stuff and I 100% take some of the credit for that, it just seemed necessary to really get our point across from the players perspective about some of the changes. A lot of this stuff I'm pretty confident you're already working on/ aware about so excited to see what happens next